Ep26 Barbara Sbrocca - The Artistic Path to Deep Connection

00:00:01:23 - 00:00:24:04
Patricia Lindner
Hello and welcome to another episode of Magnificence, the One and only Empowerment podcast that strikes a match and shines the light on the magnificence of my gifts. And today, Today I have with me the one and only Barbara Sbrocca from Italy. And I am so delighted, Barbara, that you are with me today.

00:00:24:06 - 00:00:28:15
Barbara Sbrocca
Thanks for having me. Hi, everyone. I'm so happy to be here.

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Patricia Lindner
Barbara It is so great that I can talk about how magnificent you are, what you do and so on. And before we dive into all of that great stuff, I want to introduce you to the audience just in brief and then just let's go from there. Okay, then. Barbara is a highly creative, heart centered artist who is experienced in creating wall sculptures and other forms of art.

00:01:00:14 - 00:01:35:20
Patricia Lindner
She has exhibited her work since 2002. She wrote and hosted her own radio show. She designed furniture, houses and created a jewelry line. She also published a book about her art and in 2020, she started the first global art project about love and separation, which is called. But she's busy. She recently started her own nonprofit organization called Blu Shabaka.

00:01:35:22 - 00:01:49:02
Patricia Lindner
Hello and welcome to the show again. There are so many things that I want to dive into. Barbara, welcome to the show. I hope I did not miss out on anything that is highly important.

00:01:49:04 - 00:02:29:11
Barbara Sbrocca
No, thank you. It's all correct. And thank you for having me again. So I'm so happy to be here and happy to chat with you and reply and to respond to any of your questions, if you have any. I know that I have a very multiple and probably too busy of a resumé, but I did so many things in my life and from radio to jewelry from now on, this nonprofit organization Adventure, which is my latest creature and most of all brushes as busy, which is a dream of mine.

00:02:29:13 - 00:02:36:06
Barbara Sbrocca
And it's growing. Is growing. But yeah, you go ahead.

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Patricia Lindner
I just know you are an artist and oftentimes so and this is what just comes to me. I love being really spontaneous. This is how your career started. Did you start off as someone who created those sculptures and wall sculptures and pieces of artwork, or did your parents tell you that you need to learn something that is a proper career?

00:03:08:04 - 00:03:31:21
Patricia Lindner
Oftentimes tell someone that. So I just vividly remember my dad said, Don't be an artist. That's someone who has always a lack of money and no one wants to see art and don't appreciate it. So I just wonder, did your career start as an artist?

00:03:31:23 - 00:04:00:21
Barbara Sbrocca
No, absolutely not. Actually. As far as my family wanted me to be, would I'm supposed to be a lawyer? So, yeah. On the opposite side of the spectrum. And yeah, it was a tough period of my life because I was kind of in a you know, I had no choice but to be a lawyer. That's how I thought it was going to be.

00:04:00:21 - 00:04:30:10
Barbara Sbrocca
But after starting studying law, I realized, no, I mean, that's not me at all. That's not so. Not me. So I decided to look, I will pay for my own studies, but I was already a grown up and my passion was art in all its form. I actually thought of myself as an actress and singer because I love singing.

00:04:30:12 - 00:05:17:02
Barbara Sbrocca
But then, I mean, I love creativity, know its ways. And I started studying communication and marketing to become creative in that field. In advertising, especially. So for most of my life, I've worked as a creative for advertising and marketing. For the first ten years in, you know, the proper path from copywriter to creative director and then creative creativity consultant, then I started switching a little bit and from the agency world, I went for businesses directly without the agency medium.

00:05:17:04 - 00:06:07:06
Barbara Sbrocca
And and then I started working for nonprofit organization and NGOs, and I started using my creativity for good, I mean, for good causes. As I considered and I started traveling the world like as a trainer, creativity trainer for small business, incubators for women in, you know, in certain countries where like Syria, Nepal, Tanzania or Jordan, for example. And and I started developing a different way of doing creativity, advertising and marketing, applying creativity and lateral thinking to marketing.

00:06:07:08 - 00:06:43:21
Barbara Sbrocca
But then the sit in from 2001, more or less, I started doing painting and sculpting more seriously. And from there I had to sort of two careers, two career paths up until a few years ago when I decided to dedicate myself 100% only to art. So I have my my soul is is splitting at least two at least.

00:06:43:23 - 00:07:13:18
Barbara Sbrocca
But I have so many different sides in my soul. Creativity is my life. But I won't. I'm I'm I'm not focused on one way of expressing it. I, I've been expressing it with words for many years, with images, with jewelry. As you were saying, I had my own brand, but also with cooking, also my so many ways of expression.

00:07:13:18 - 00:07:22:15
Barbara Sbrocca
And now I'm focusing on visual arts and sound. And so, yeah.

00:07:22:17 - 00:07:48:11
Patricia Lindner
So beautiful. You really are multi potential light and, and I want to really shine the light on where you are and your magnificence through the lens of human design. And just a couple of minutes before we pressed the record button, I asked you, did you ever have a look at your human design body graph? And so you just didn't know?

00:07:48:12 - 00:07:57:01
Patricia Lindner
I didn't know. I would love to share your chart with you because that goes hand-in-hand with what you just said.

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Barbara Sbrocca
That's, you know. Yeah. What I said when I saw this just a few moments ago, I was kabelo. And that means that this is amazing. I it looks like one of my jewels. It looks like actually a piece of jewelry. I love it. It's a beautiful form. I know nothing about this. That is good. And I'm all ears and eyes and heart.

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Barbara Sbrocca
That is.

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Patricia Lindner
So great. And it is so great. I was so delighted when I heard you say Kabelo and it's like a piece of jewelry, because it is as if you could read my mind because just a couple of months ago, I thought about, Well, wouldn't it be amazing to find an artist, someone who is highly creative and it's not just something that is a cookie cutter jewelry piece to create, like handmade jewelry for people who get their human design chart readings.

00:08:59:12 - 00:09:26:16
Patricia Lindner
So that the specifics of their chart come out and that they have this amazing memory and this this piece of jewelry that shows them, that's all about my energetic blueprint. And so we need to talk about that because that is an amazing idea. And you just ripped my mind fantastical.

00:09:26:18 - 00:10:00:15
Barbara Sbrocca
I, I don't, do I don't create jewelry anymore because also I was living in a different space and I had my own small laboratory for doing things. I also worked with Murano glass beads at home and then I created Smalls and jewelry pieces with walks for the glass box technique to be know with metal and you know, but I'm not doing it anymore because I don't I don't have the laboratory.

00:10:00:15 - 00:10:41:12
Barbara Sbrocca
But this I can easily see a piece with silver or yeah, in my case I would choose silver and ebony and some yeah. Murano glass or heart stones to create something maybe less less perfect in terms of, you know, I love in perfection, in terms of shapes, lines I don't like so much the regular shades like strangle when you use your hands things of course they are not perfectly super symmetrical and geometrical.

00:10:41:13 - 00:10:59:23
Barbara Sbrocca
And this is what I like because it's more for me, for my taste is more it's warmer, it's like more human. But I could definitely see a jewel or your line of jewels inspired by this kind of charts I loved.

00:10:59:23 - 00:11:07:07
Patricia Lindner
And I definitely want to continue the conversation and create. Maybe you go back to creating jewelry.

00:11:07:09 - 00:11:09:20
Barbara Sbrocca
Who knows? Who knows? Never say never.

00:11:09:23 - 00:11:42:12
Patricia Lindner
Yeah, you said that you did so many things and that you are interested in so many things and usually I start off with telling people they are generator or whatever type they are generator, which is the power house execute, or the one who is highly powered, someone who has this inbound engine in and can work and can continue the work and can perfect the work and can become masterful.

00:11:42:18 - 00:12:13:00
Patricia Lindner
Someone who almost never, ever is running out of energy. There is this You are here to create the planet. You are the creator. You are the doer, or you are someone to do something to bring something into existence. So that is the generator type and I think that fits you really well. When I hear you talk about your career and who you are and what you like.

00:12:13:02 - 00:12:20:03
Patricia Lindner
So I think definitely that makes a lot of sense that you are a generator.

00:12:20:05 - 00:12:29:00
Barbara Sbrocca
Already in Italian. I would say Arizona, it sounds, you know, it resonates as an accident. Yeah. Yeah.

00:12:29:02 - 00:12:57:15
Patricia Lindner
And just yesterday I had someone who said are and all the body grafts, the piece of artwork that you were just talking about, they all look different and has it. Yes, they could be all colored in. So all the centers could be in color and they are not all brown. There is one yellow and there is so different colors, they could all be white.

00:12:57:17 - 00:13:31:08
Patricia Lindner
And so each and every one that's like really your highly personal, energetic blueprint that is specific to you and just sharing about what that means and why. I want to talk about I want to talk about this open center in the middle of everything that is your G center that is the center of self-perception, self confidence, direction. So this is open.

00:13:31:08 - 00:14:01:18
Patricia Lindner
That's why it is white. And openness in the energetic blueprint of human design means nothing good or bad, right or wrong. That is, everything is perfect the way it is. What it means is that you have those energetic antennas to the outside world. You have a myriad of possibilities or options what you could do in your life.

00:14:01:20 - 00:14:04:08
Barbara Sbrocca
Yeah, So that's to.

00:14:04:10 - 00:14:30:22
Patricia Lindner
Make up buffet of opportunities. You could do this and that and you are open to this and that and this and this over there. And you could pass. That is amazing because you really have so much things that you could do. The flip side of the coin is, what am I supposed to do? What what route should I follow?

00:14:30:24 - 00:15:03:04
Patricia Lindner
But it feels like you just a couple of years ago you decided that is my project, my mission. I really want to invest my time and dedicate my life to this project, this global project, and your nonprofit organization. There is this huge openness in this center, and I bet that makes a lot of sense. Because you were laughing.

00:15:03:06 - 00:15:23:18
Barbara Sbrocca
Yeah, I don't want to interrupt, but I would tell you how much it is open. Also, the project was busy is very open. I don't want to I don't know how do you want to do this? If you want to go through all the chart or if we just.

00:15:23:20 - 00:15:28:06
Patricia Lindner
Pulled the chart, would take us a couple of days.

00:15:28:08 - 00:16:19:18
Barbara Sbrocca
Okay. Fantastic. Okay. Okay, okay. But the thing is, during the pandemic, during the 2020 pandemic, the one I decided I felt the need for a change in my life. And so, as I told you before, I decided to to dedicate my life entirely to my art arts or you to invest in using the energy that I feel and the creativity that I have, not for the profit of somebody else and actually not for profit at all.

00:16:19:20 - 00:16:57:16
Barbara Sbrocca
If we consider profit money making money but for a different kind of profit profit in health, in in wellness, in mind, in knowledge in wholeness being whole. So for me, that's the profit profit thing, because if you consider your own well-being and other people's well-being, good, something that is valuable. And I consider that very much valuable. It is for profit.

00:16:57:18 - 00:17:25:21
Barbara Sbrocca
But it's not just it's not in the realm of money. It's very hard to translate all of this that I'm doing now into how much money does it cost or is it worth how much a life, how much a moment of, wow, word is worth? I have no idea. So.

00:17:25:23 - 00:17:53:10
Patricia Lindner
Jerrick, currency excuse me to interrupt you, but it's so and that is that is so I'm so in sync with what you said, just working with people and exchanging wisdom or helping them go in a certain direction and helping them let go of something. Or in your case, and I would love to dive into, but she's especially what that's all about.

00:17:53:16 - 00:18:06:12
Patricia Lindner
This is like a different currency. It's no longer so we still live in the 3-D reality where, yeah, sure, create money because otherwise we would starve.

00:18:06:14 - 00:18:07:06
Barbara Sbrocca
Yeah.

00:18:07:08 - 00:18:43:18
Patricia Lindner
But there is a it's like future vision or mission to just have another benefit, like this energetic currency of happiness, this wow moment. Yeah. Of excitement. Health's contribution to something bigger. Tell us more about what your project is, because I know a little more than the audience and I totally love your project, your global project it.

00:18:43:20 - 00:19:48:17
Barbara Sbrocca
Thank you. Yeah. The thing is not just happiness. Yeah. That the currency of the wow the wow can be. Yeah. Not only happiness, but when you are aware, when you are more when you know better yourself and others and your interactions within yourself and in other relationships that knowledge, that awareness can create a different kind of wow or different kinds of and so I, I started my batches as busy project during the 2020 pandemic lockdown and you need to be we were after China the second country facing the total you know isolation stay at home and and it was Carrie and it was shocking and at the time I was facing I was leaving and

00:19:48:19 - 00:20:40:02
Barbara Sbrocca
a moment of a tough moment because I was in a separation process from my ex partner. And so I was living alone. Well, I was living alone before, but, you know, I was processing the separation within and it was not easy, but all of a sudden I realized I started thinking, what about all the people who are facing this kind of solitude and isolation and being apart, being separated from their loved ones, families also not because of a pandemic, because at the time we thought, okay, this is maybe going to last.

00:20:40:04 - 00:21:23:11
Barbara Sbrocca
Who knows? A week, two weeks, We had no idea. But we had this. The feeling that it was temporary. You know, this is going to end hopefully soon, but who knows? But this is good. This is just temporary. So because of I live in Italy and we are in the Mediterranean Sea and we are on the path of migrations and we were bombarded by two kind of different kind of news in the in the television that the time COVID numbers and migrants dying in in the sea, in the Mediterranean Sea.

00:21:23:13 - 00:22:06:09
Barbara Sbrocca
So I some somehow my mind clicked and I, I joined these two swords together and I thought we are suffering because we are now isolated from our loved ones. By what about those who are running from their countries and for life to just to to be alive, just to to hope, to live somewhere else. And I said, this is really nonsense, that we are judging other people's decisions based on what?

00:22:06:14 - 00:22:51:20
Barbara Sbrocca
So I said I would like to to interview people, to talk with people about their feelings, feelings of love and feelings about separations, feeling of about what they feel. When something starts, some love story starts or ends and know how they process separation. All kinds of situations, dealing with love, with fear of connection and fear of separation. What about if we listen to people talking about their most intimate moments and fears and or passion or courage?

00:22:51:22 - 00:23:30:11
Barbara Sbrocca
But we don't know who speaking where they are from. They we don't know anything. We don't know the names. We don't we just absorb their emotion, just listening through their stories. And so I started this project, which is basically a research and artistic research that I'm doing about how humans deal with connection and separation. Because from this you can really feel how we are all connected by the need for connection.

00:23:30:11 - 00:24:16:15
Barbara Sbrocca
And sometimes the fear of disconnection, sometimes of fear of connection, fear of intimacy, fear of not being seen and accepted. But it's all, it's very, you know, it's very much the same in in with different nuances where we all share these profound, profound, profound, deep need for connection. So visually, I adopted not even thinking about it, I adopted these forms which are this red shapes that I called bocce that I explain with busses as busy means.

00:24:16:17 - 00:24:50:05
Barbara Sbrocca
And so I created installations and sculptures that visually are made like this with these red shapes that ideally they represent each individual individuality. We are all connected, but with a distance we are all separated, but yet connected and our feelings and our shape, they are not circles because circle is always the same. They are all the same and they are perfect and we are all different and we are not perfect.

00:24:50:07 - 00:25:26:14
Barbara Sbrocca
And our shape can change depending on the proximity or the distance from the others. And that can be in a moment. That can change or in a life we are just to proximity and distance and this kind of shape. Let me explain visually without explaining this natural slowing of individuality in relationship. So busses is busy literally translating. Literally it means suspended kisses that.

00:25:26:16 - 00:25:59:05
Barbara Sbrocca
But the the inner inner meaning comes from tradition that we have in each of these especially in Naples. It started in the city of Naples in the south of Italy where they have the suspended coffee cup, fresh basil. What is it? Is a tradition where you go when when you go to a bar to have a coffee or a cup of tea or whatever you eat, you pay in advance a coffee or whatever for another person, an unknown person.

00:25:59:05 - 00:26:31:08
Barbara Sbrocca
So you take you pay for your own coffee and maybe you pay for two or three and you you leave the pre-paid receipt in a bowl. So if a person has no money or if a person is in a tough moment, they can enjoy a coffee, prepaid coffee paid in advance. So batches of space is like if I leave in advance for for a stranger, for a person that I don't know, I leave a kiss.

00:26:31:08 - 00:27:01:00
Barbara Sbrocca
Meaning I leave a message of humanity and hope. I tell my story for other people around the world to listen and to maybe think I'm not alone. This concept is also translated into the installation, the physical sculptures that I create for public spaces where people can leave paper notes, messages written on paper and leave these messages for other people passing by.

00:27:01:02 - 00:27:24:14
Barbara Sbrocca
So if I'm sad or if I'm just, you know, I can take a message and read a message, it can be a drawing, it can be a poem. It can be just a sentence from another person saying something, something that can be powerful for anybody else in that moment that is so beautiful.

00:27:24:14 - 00:27:35:03
Patricia Lindner
That is so beautiful. And it is it is just we are all those installations figures. I saw a picture of this huge installation, I think that is in Italy.

00:27:35:05 - 00:27:36:10
Barbara Sbrocca
Yes.

00:27:36:12 - 00:27:39:12
Patricia Lindner
Those holds. And you can put the messages in.

00:27:39:12 - 00:28:15:05
Barbara Sbrocca
Exactly. Yeah. That's that's the first piece of space installation. It's actually of more than three meters double sculpture. It's placed by the sea in a place called Bastos, which is in the north of Rome. And yeah, it's it's used like a bank of love messages and now it became it has become a meeting point for lovers. And, you know, and some people go and take pictures with the sculpture and they leave messages and they leave drawing.

00:28:15:07 - 00:28:49:23
Barbara Sbrocca
There's also one girl leaving, one young lady who has a tattoo with the. But she's busy. She's really on her arm. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I was surprised. And then there's another installation in another place in the north of Italy, which is more village. It started like a site specific temporary installation, and it was a few, you know, like, different shapes all over the center of the city, on trees and on the river and, you know, elsewhere.

00:28:50:00 - 00:29:20:21
Barbara Sbrocca
And the mayor was so happy about this creation and installation. He asked me to transform the the installation from a temporary one into a permanent one to be executed in the local museum. So I created this structure because it was all over the place in the city. But I created a wooden structure to hold this vashi. And so now you can go to the museum for free.

00:29:20:21 - 00:29:46:01
Barbara Sbrocca
This is another thing that I care a lot you have to see to be able to go to matches as busy sculpture and use it and enjoy it for free. So they are only public spaces that where you can go and there is no tickets, there's no, you know, you just go and leave a message or take a message.

00:29:46:01 - 00:30:14:07
Barbara Sbrocca
And also the outdoor portraits, as I call them. So the interview that I had with 34 people of up to know in different languages, there are in Italian, in English and some in Spanish, they are online and there are free, freely available. You can go and listen to the busses as they see all your portraits. And I'm about to open the project internationally.

00:30:14:07 - 00:30:47:19
Barbara Sbrocca
I mean, it is already international because I, I have international people giving me their stories, but I want to bring back she's as busy elsewhere as you know, abroad, and I'm going to very soon in June. So there will be a workshop with other artists. I want to to establish embassies as busy and safe four months. But then the poor would be busses as busy.

00:30:47:19 - 00:31:09:08
Barbara Sbrocca
But then the application and the media will be in the hands of other artists. And so I want batches of spacing to be a concept that multiplies. And so that's why open, you know, I'm open to the Corps is wide because even busses as spaces open.

00:31:09:10 - 00:31:33:15
Patricia Lindner
It should become a global thing that people so it is beautiful. I can just invite people to go to Italy and look at your installations and enjoy the moment of. But she's just busy. But I feel like this really needs to to spread into the world and it should be everywhere in the world because first of all, it is beautiful.

00:31:33:15 - 00:32:13:04
Patricia Lindner
Your artwork is beautiful and demeaning behind it. That is that is magnificent. And I need to encourage you because of course, because of your energetic blueprint, because I have something to share. And this is or I should have chosen the option where I can make it a bit bigger with the magnifying glass. But something that and I'm so excited, Barbara, because because everyone has an energetic blueprint, as I said, and that is specific to who you are.

00:32:13:06 - 00:32:53:15
Patricia Lindner
And there are strengths and challenges and openness and define this. There is nothing like putting people into a box, but oftentimes we go far away from our blueprint because of conditioning, because of adjusting to the situation, to the environment, to certain experiences. But you and this is outstanding with your art project, you totally embody this connection, this connection of the sacral and the emotions.

00:32:53:17 - 00:33:39:23
Patricia Lindner
So there is this line. This is Channel 59 six, so one can't see that really properly. But this connection is called the channel of the meeting and this that you have destroyed. I don't have it and many other people don't have this channel. Someone who has this channel is someone with a powerful auric field that penetrates people very, very deeply, breaking down barriers, opening the way for intimacy, for love and for connection and for bringing new endeavors.

00:33:40:00 - 00:34:07:17
Patricia Lindner
It is all about emotion. It's all about connection. It's all about making bringing people together. And so you did not know about human design and you did not know that this is in your chart. And I'm so stunned and so excited that exactly that is what you embody. That is who you are. You have this powerful auric field.

00:34:07:19 - 00:34:36:12
Patricia Lindner
You create this cloak global project, you bring people together, you break down the barriers of solitude, of separation, of not being loved, not belonging to by this amazing project. And I feel that is so wonderful. And it runs through your veins no matter what, no matter.

00:34:36:14 - 00:34:36:24
Barbara Sbrocca
What.

00:34:36:24 - 00:34:44:02
Patricia Lindner
Moon constellation, no, no matter what your neighbor says, no matter what someone thinks of your project. This is.

00:34:44:02 - 00:35:28:08
Barbara Sbrocca
Barbara. Thank you. This story just so we're sure it's amazing. I feel since 2020 when I started this project, I actually started this project. I realized after to of course, to process my own separation moment. But it was so without much and it was so deep and so profound. The connection that I that I established established with people also, I mean, people from all over the world, people I didn't know because at first, of course, I started talking with friends and friends of friends.

00:35:28:08 - 00:36:17:10
Barbara Sbrocca
And then I started just presenting the project and asking for volunteers, as I call them, story donors online. So I was contacted by people I don't know, I didn't know, and I had the most amazing conversations deep where where people shared and I shared with them intimate moments of of fear, of, you know, into human moments. And and I had you know, it was that I said, see, this is the proof that we are all connected.

00:36:17:13 - 00:37:06:12
Barbara Sbrocca
Of course we are all different. Of course we can be. We can react and we do react to to loss, to separation, to pain, to whatever in different ways, of course, because our own our stories are different. But if you go down, down, down to the moments of birth, to that initial hope slash certainty that outside the reason human being ready to to call you and love you and to love and to hold in to see and to be seen, there is an initial core for everyone which is the same.

00:37:06:12 - 00:37:54:16
Barbara Sbrocca
Then, you know, very soon in our lives we face different situations. So we may get hurt and in different ways and develop different strategies to defend ourselves and what not. But the core is the same. So this is what I'm interested did in to, to underline what unites us instead of what separates and what I. I want to emphasize the human traits, the human.

00:37:54:18 - 00:38:23:19
Barbara Sbrocca
It's not soul, but the humanity. This is typically human. And and and since 2020, since I started this project, my life deeply, I don't know if what is the cause and what's the consequence, but my life has changed. So I know if this project was possible. And it's possible because already I changed internally or the other way around it.

00:38:23:24 - 00:38:26:03
Barbara Sbrocca
So it doesn't really matter. No.

00:38:26:05 - 00:38:27:21
Patricia Lindner
I'd say it's both.

00:38:27:23 - 00:38:28:13
Barbara Sbrocca
Yeah, it is.

00:38:28:19 - 00:38:47:08
Patricia Lindner
It's like you changed and then you created and you changed through the creation process again because yeah, we continuously develop and change and act and react and things happen. We are not the same as we were just 5 minutes ago.

00:38:47:08 - 00:39:18:23
Barbara Sbrocca
And yet there is a poem that I wrote maybe almost 30 years ago, maybe 25, that is called Aqua Viva and it's Aqua is the title and the text, I would say in Italian first and then I translate VILLASENOR La Continua able to me transforming something that may in May in unprecedented be the I am the ongoing evolution.

00:39:19:03 - 00:39:29:03
Barbara Sbrocca
I transform myself from me into and I foresee nothing but life. So I know that.

00:39:29:05 - 00:39:47:19
Patricia Lindner
I totally love it. And so just talking about this project and now as we are sharing about the project so people can the installations, people can connect with you and of.

00:39:47:19 - 00:39:49:15
Barbara Sbrocca
Course.

00:39:49:17 - 00:39:53:19
Patricia Lindner
Give them give to give their stories to you.

00:39:53:21 - 00:40:24:09
Barbara Sbrocca
Yes, sure. Do you now do only audio, only anonymously. I mean, only I will be the only person knowing who they are. But it's only audio. So and I don't name names and I never reveal their identities. So, yes. Okay. And also, people can if if they live in a place and they have they know that it is possible to start a project for a new batches of space installation in the community.

00:40:24:11 - 00:40:55:20
Barbara Sbrocca
We can arrange I can I can go and work with local artists or by myself. But I generally I work with artisans, different artisans to create sites. This site specific installations with the same shapes, red shapes, but made with different materials. Or you know, they change a little bit in I go in in the second town in the village of God, I go, I created batches of space installation with two different materials.

00:40:55:20 - 00:41:25:11
Barbara Sbrocca
One is wood, which I love, and the other one is crochet. So there's there was a local artisan who created many batches, was busy with crochet things and it was amazing on the trees, these red crochet. But she was amazing. So it depends on where I am and if there are artisans and people who want to cooperate with me, we can create together batches as big installations.

00:41:25:15 - 00:41:57:22
Barbara Sbrocca
And of course I'm looking for more audio portraits. It's up to now. I have worked in Italian, English and Spanish because these are languages that I, I know. Of course, Italian is my language because I'm editing the final audio portrait. So but I am also looking for partners to be able to work with other languages that I don't know.

00:41:57:22 - 00:42:14:15
Barbara Sbrocca
So we can create audio portraits in different languages. And then this is also an option. So I'm very open to collaborations and to, you know, to spread the message as busy manifesto. So around the world.

00:42:14:17 - 00:42:47:07
Patricia Lindner
I just have this vision that this is going to be huge, it is going to be big, and I'm going to offer my German version of my story to you. And I just had this idea, and this is what I love about being spontaneous and not just structuring everything. When I look at your body graph, it looks like So this is so so this is my way of dealing with human design.

00:42:47:09 - 00:43:16:18
Patricia Lindner
I as an artist as well. So it looks like this is like the foundation. The, the bottom part is defined, which means this is what you create from within. That is why I called you the powerhouse, the one that can create the one that has a sustained energy that can become masterful and then everything. And this is such a good example to understand what human design is.

00:43:16:20 - 00:43:54:24
Patricia Lindner
The White centers, they are about openness. They are like antennas to the outside world, like global antennas in your case. And this is all about being inspired by allowing people into this creation, just generally speaking. And I totally love that this is your special design. Just as a side note, of course, openness can be manipulative because people can really intrude your energetic space.

00:43:55:03 - 00:44:27:04
Patricia Lindner
But when you know about the openness and how to protect it, that is such a big asset to have this openness, to have those antennas of inspiration, drafty antennas of really adjusting when you speak to people, that's why people open up to you to really have this huge variety of what you are capable of doing. And that just came to me when you talked about this.

00:44:27:04 - 00:45:02:00
Patricia Lindner
I want to so there is the base is in Italy and there is Barbara Broca in Italy. And I can see this is so this is really this vision that comes to me. I can see. But she's as busy New York, I can't see, but she's just busy somewhere in the beautiful natural environment where everything is quiet. I can see all over the world because this is what unites people and it is a beautiful piece of artwork that every country should have.

00:45:02:02 - 00:45:13:10
Patricia Lindner
I totally love that and I hope that people will reach out to you and ask you to to come to them to spread. But she's just busy.

00:45:13:12 - 00:46:08:01
Barbara Sbrocca
I really hope so. Now I'm working with two other organizations, one in Germany, in Berlin, and one in Portugal and Lisbon. And we are going to create to have the first batches as busy workshop with artists in Portugal next June. So this is official now. I can I didn't say it. And we are not going to create an installation yet, but we are going to create an exhibition so the artist will work on the busses as busy concepts starting from listening to some audio portraits and then create their own, you know, meta metal work of art metabolisms busy, we think for public installations.

00:46:08:01 - 00:46:50:11
Barbara Sbrocca
Of course, the the process is longer because you need to have the municipality permission and you know, you have to to create the right structure for the right place and safety also issues coming to you know, it's not that easy, but the idea is already in motion. So this this movement for bringing busses is busy elsewhere outside Italy is already in motion and I'm so, so happy and I'm open to any proposal, any idea of any.

00:46:50:13 - 00:47:25:05
Barbara Sbrocca
As I said, the second busses as busy installation was initially meant to be temporary, but then the mayor, who's a lovely person who actually appointed me honorary citizen of the place, which is amazing, I was so surprised because it was something it is something to have a is busy installation. It is something that really brings joy. I don't know how to explain.

00:47:25:07 - 00:47:36:18
Barbara Sbrocca
It's maybe it's I mean the concept itself, but also the shapes. They bring joy to any age. I was I.

00:47:36:20 - 00:47:52:07
Patricia Lindner
That I smile because you know I had this crazy idea I live on a quite not huge but big property. I thought like that would be so lovely to have. But she's just busy on the property.

00:47:52:09 - 00:48:21:21
Barbara Sbrocca
Yeah. Yeah. Also, if it's accessible to people because the, the concept is connection. Yeah. So it makes no sense to have a bus. She's is bizarre situation in a closed space or in a place where you have to pay something to, you know, I would never do anything like that but in an open space so people can really enjoy and, and share and feel and yeah you know, feel happy for a moment.

00:48:21:23 - 00:48:52:08
Barbara Sbrocca
There is also something very like the joy of the surprise when you you, you see there are messages, some, you know, written messages there and you you want to go and see what's written in sight and you want to leave a little surprise note for and up to now, many people have. It's changed. And some people, of course, I don't follow, you know, the the sculptures and the installations after a while.

00:48:52:08 - 00:49:20:01
Barbara Sbrocca
I mean, they they have they were nice. But some people send me the pictures of the the notes with the hashtag. But she was busy. Some people share on the Internet not that much, but some people send me as a private message. The and up to now, I've never seen anything bad written on the messages. It's so positive.

00:49:20:01 - 00:49:51:19
Patricia Lindner
Humor, it feels pure. And I just I just thought about the fact that I have a huge artistic community as I have lots of artistic connections as I do sold art. And I just thought about there must be lots and lots of artists that are interested and never heard about, but She's as busy, so I'm going to take them all when you are episode comes out because I just had this.

00:49:51:21 - 00:50:23:10
Patricia Lindner
I didn't think about that. I really have a lot of artist connections and so this is going to be a this is another amazing episode with such a deep, heart centered, life changing, world changing message. And I so grateful for that. And I want to share one last thing about your chart that is so in alignment with what we talk about, and this is what I sometimes feel called to do.

00:50:23:12 - 00:51:11:02
Patricia Lindner
This is not about the body graph, not about those type of things. That's about number 52. It's the conscious sun sign and that is part of your incarnation. Cross That is part of the gene keys, so to speak. No worries about what all of that means. But when you look into these numbers and in special, this 52, it is a gate that shows you sometimes a struggle, sometimes a shadow peace, and also the pathway to resolve that.

00:51:11:04 - 00:51:31:03
Patricia Lindner
And I just shared it with you. And let's talk about if this makes sense. I don't want to dive into any kind of maybe something from your or something like that. This is someone who might have dealt with a lot of stress in the life.

00:51:31:05 - 00:51:32:08
Barbara Sbrocca
And.

00:51:32:10 - 00:52:07:09
Patricia Lindner
Is capable of leaving that all behind and accessing the gift of restraint or even still this peaceful stillness. And there is one quote that I want to share with you around this gate 52 from stress to stillness, that is and this is so in tune with. But she's just busy. The more selfless your intentions, the more power it will have.

00:52:07:11 - 00:52:19:00
Patricia Lindner
And that's all about this. Gate 52 as soon as we let go of profit has gone.

00:52:19:02 - 00:52:20:10
Barbara Sbrocca
Yes, absolutely.

00:52:20:16 - 00:52:26:00
Patricia Lindner
It is going to it is going to be beneficial for the whole world.

00:52:26:02 - 00:53:10:07
Barbara Sbrocca
I totally, totally, totally agree. But she's just busy and started very in in a very spontaneous way. There are no payments, no funds, No, it was just me exploring, doing, investing in the world and in my feeling and I am not I don't I'm not in a rush. I don't I don't need anything. I don't need it to be any different from what it is.

00:53:10:09 - 00:53:46:24
Barbara Sbrocca
And it's growing. Well, I don't I'm not pushing, pushing, pushing. It's growing. I'm not I don't have once a person asked me if I had a business I'm sorry, a business plan for it, and it made me laugh. This of a business plan. It's so the opposite on the opposite side of business. It's not business. It's it's like creating a business plan on your heartbeat.

00:53:47:01 - 00:54:21:20
Barbara Sbrocca
And it's crazy. It's what? It doesn't make sense. As for me, for my years, I was. What? What do you mean? And so it's exactly like this when you when you open yourself, when you're not afraid. And that's exactly what happens from 2020 on. I kind of I don't know. I just stopped being afraid of whatever of the future and what's going to happen.

00:54:21:21 - 00:55:13:16
Barbara Sbrocca
And I'm not afraid. I, I felt this kind of blanket falling down and and things that are happening at their own pace, which is not not even slow, actually, which is great. Amazing. And so, yeah, I don't I know nothing about the chart and you know that 52 number and what it means. But yeah, I come from I was telling this actually to a friend of mine this morning that now at my age, I mean now in the present I am more fearless and light and playful and joyful than I was when I was like 20 or 25.

00:55:13:18 - 00:55:56:16
Barbara Sbrocca
So my lives changed in a way then. Now I'm way more free internally and I don't I'm not afraid of, okay, what's going to happen to me tomorrow or in ten years, or how can I reach this goal? I mean, I have images, I have feelings, I have human goals. They are not practical. They're not you cannot measure them in terms of I want a house or a car or a vision that is not that.

00:55:56:18 - 00:56:28:16
Barbara Sbrocca
Maybe maybe it's because I've worked my life inside the marketing will that I am not attached to stuff I don't like. I don't need that much stuff. Things I love, experiences. And I realized early in my life that what's important and what we are going to bring with us when we are, you know, our last bed is love and experiences and affection.

00:56:28:16 - 00:56:32:16
Barbara Sbrocca
It's not things so smoothly.

00:56:32:17 - 00:57:01:11
Patricia Lindner
And so I am so grateful for you sharing that because you said I don't know anything about the number 52 in the chart, but your story and your insight and me sharing the background of the chart is such a huge invitation because someone so and there are over 60 gates, someone struggling with something maybe stress, maybe I want to get this going.

00:57:01:13 - 00:57:33:21
Patricia Lindner
I want the benefit out of it. Knowing the story behind that and knowing the pathway from stress to restraint or stillness, just knowing the energetic blueprint when someone feels like I'm stressed out, what can I do about that? There is always a way out. You figured it out without knowing anything about your chart and you had this moment of really, I liked the picture of the blanket fell down like this.

00:57:33:21 - 00:58:03:21
Patricia Lindner
Heavy, maybe stressful. I need to do this and that. And now everything comes to you because you radiate. You vibrate in this different frequency. And I totally, totally love that and love you sharing this story because it is so in tune with Human Design and The Jinx is and the benefit of this work when someone struggles at a certain point.

00:58:03:23 - 00:58:08:14
Patricia Lindner
And so I'm really grateful for this alignment.

00:58:08:16 - 00:58:46:00
Barbara Sbrocca
I think. Yeah, I'm grateful too. I want to add that also I worked on myself a lot and when I needed when I really needed help, I asked for help. And I'm not talking just about help from a friend who's listening and no, no, I'm talking about, you know, more structural help. And I went in therapy and I, I started the research on myself and also on human unconscious dynamics.

00:58:46:02 - 00:59:21:00
Barbara Sbrocca
So it's not just that it was a sudden it what it felt like. It was all of a sudden moment. But it was the result also of a long process of self knowledge and and and cure and therapy for the cure. So it's not just to know yourself is also to to be cured and you know, and go into a process that really allows you to get rid of the old self.

00:59:21:02 - 00:59:33:05
Barbara Sbrocca
It is not just I know myself. No, it's also I'm a new person and I accept to let the old one go. It's not here anymore.

00:59:33:07 - 01:00:02:07
Patricia Lindner
It goes hand in hand with your poem that you quoted, you know, hand in hand with a conversation I had yesterday with MAXINE Cunningham, the creator of Pick My Brain, and we talked about people really should know themselves, know thyself. And it's such a golden nugget shared that it is nothing to be ashamed of when you ask for help.

01:00:02:09 - 01:00:07:07
Patricia Lindner
It is something that helps you really grow into the you you want to be.

01:00:07:13 - 01:00:08:14
Barbara Sbrocca
Yeah.

01:00:08:16 - 01:00:25:18
Patricia Lindner
So I didn't ask you yet for sharing a golden nugget, but this was such a gem. Share with the audience. Thank you so much, Barbara. Is there anything that you want to add to Rob? Our beautiful conversation up.

01:00:25:20 - 01:00:29:18
Barbara Sbrocca
there would be so many things I can. I could talk with you forever.

01:00:29:21 - 01:00:51:12
Patricia Lindner
How could people reach you? Where can they find you if anyone, an artist, a contributor to the stories, anyone who wants to visit the installation or wants to learn more about it, maybe anything connected to you as a person or the But she's as busy project.

01:00:51:12 - 01:00:52:09
Barbara Sbrocca
Or so.

01:00:52:11 - 01:00:54:22
Patricia Lindner
Profit. How can they reach?

01:00:54:24 - 01:01:22:03
Barbara Sbrocca
They can reach me. The easiest thing is via email. So it's Barbara. My name at Brock got my last name dot com so I have a domain so Barbara at dotcom if you go to WW WS Brock gather com you see it's a very simple website but you can find something there also about my my works my arts.

01:01:22:05 - 01:01:48:16
Barbara Sbrocca
If you go to batches of spaces dot com they will re direct you to the page from where you can find the syntheses of the projects and the audio portraits to listen to. If you look for me on Facebook, you find me Barbara's broker. If you look for me on LinkedIn, you find me. If you look for me on Tik-tok you don't find me.

01:01:48:18 - 01:02:15:02
Barbara Sbrocca
But it's it's easy if you if you look, if you Google my name, it's easy to to reach me and to find me very open, to have conversations and to talk. I reply to emails available and so I invite you to get in touch with me. If you if you're curious, if you want to know more. Anything, I'm here.

01:02:15:03 - 01:02:40:09
Patricia Lindner
Wonderful, wonderful. People should reach out to you. I found you on Pick my brain as we both have a piece on. Pick my brains so people know where to find you. People know where to find me. And the only thing that I want to say right now is I totally enjoyed this deep conversation about you, about. But she's just busy about this amazing global project.

01:02:40:11 - 01:02:58:06
Patricia Lindner
And just think of this day that I told you this is going to be huge. I totally believe that I can see it and what you can see is going to be manifested somehow. I totally believe in that. But we thank you so much.

01:02:58:08 - 01:03:05:11
Barbara Sbrocca
Thanks, Patricia. Thanks for having me go. Thanks to you, Gracia.

01:03:05:13 - 01:03:24:05
Patricia Lindner
Thank you so much. And thank you for watching this episode of Magnificence, Another amazing episode of Magnificence, The One and Only Empowerment podcast that strikes emotion shines a light on the magnificence of my gifts and, of course, the magnificence of you. Before now.